Apr 01, 2025 Planning Commission

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YOU CAN CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. OH. THANK YOU. I'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. TO ORDER.

JUST A TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY. SUSAN'S REPORTING THAT THE TRANSCRIPTIONS. WILL. BY THE WAY. SO. BUT AS LONG AS THE MICROPHONE ON, YOU SHOULD BE GOOD. OKAY, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO START WITH ROLL MOSES HERE. GENE. ALICE HERE. WOLFF HERE. SCHMITZ HERE. DREYFUSS HERE.

JOHNSON HERE. WELCOME. NOW WE HAVE OATH OF OFFICE AND INTRODUCTIONS. WE HAVE THREE NEW

[1. Oath of Office/Introductions (Three Commissioners; April 2025 - March 2028).]

[2. Overview of Boards and Commissions/Orientation.]

[3. Election of Planning Commission Officers]

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AWESOME. CAN I GET A SECOND ON I'LL SECOND THAT SECOND. AWESOME. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN WE'LL TAKE A FULL VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR OF CLAIRE WOLF REMAINING AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION CHAIR. ANY OPPOSED? AND THE AYES HAVE IT. NEXT, WE'LL TAKE A NOMINATION FOR VICE CHAIR. I NOMINATE JOHN FOR VICE CHAIR. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. SECOND AND ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

ALL OPPOSED. AND THE AYES HAVE IT. NEXT, WE'LL TAKE A NOMINATION FOR SECRETARY AND TREASURER. I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE PAUL FOR SECRETARY. TREASURER. SECOND, SECOND. ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL OPPOSED? AWESOME. SO WE HAVE CHAIR WOLF. VICE CHAIR JOHN AND THEN SECRETARY TREASURER MOSES. THANKS, EVERYONE. CONGRATULATIONS. NEXT ON THE

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ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE. OPPOSED. AND THE MOTION CARRIES. AND THAT TAKES US TO OUR ONLY ITEM ON THE AGENDA TODAY, DISCUSSION ON ZONING

[OTHER BUSINESS]

NOT ALL OF OUR MEETINGS ARE LIKE THIS. THIS IS KIND OF MORE OF AN OPEN MEETING FORUM. THE CHAIR WILL CONTROL THE CONVERSATION AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT YOU'LL HAVE THE ABILITY TO JUST KIND OF TALK THROUGH THESE ITEMS, YOU KNOW, EXPRESS KIND OF YOUR THOUGHTS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. FEEL FREE TO SPEAK FREELY IN THIS TYPE OF MEETING. WHEN WE DO HAVE SPECIFIC LEGAL BUSINESS, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES HAVE, IT'S MORE LEGAL THAN OTHER COMMISSIONS WITHIN THE CITY. SO WHEN WE DO HAVE LEGAL BUSINESS, IT'LL BE MUCH MORE PRESENTATION, YOU KNOW, KIND OF RESTRICTED, I DON'T WANT TO SAY RESTRICTED CONVERSATION, BUT THERE ARE SOME BOUNDS THAT WE HAVE TO STAY WITHIN. BUT TODAY IS MORE OF LIKE A, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER, KIND OF GET TO KNOW HOW EACH OTHER THINKS, AND THEN ALSO TALK ABOUT SOME ITEMS THAT BRENNA HAS DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF RESEARCHING AND KIND OF WANTS TO BRING THAT FORWARD.

SO I APOLOGIZE FOR STEALING YOUR THUNDER, BUT FEEL FREE TO GO AHEAD. YEAH, THANKS FOR THAT CONTEXT, MITCH. SO WHAT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT IS LARGELY THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS IN THE CITY OF COLUMBIA HEIGHTS. WE HAVE THREE OF THEM. BUT THE WE REALLY WANT TO FOCUS ON THE LIMITED BUSINESS DISTRICT. AND THEN THROUGH THAT, WE'LL HAVE TO TOUCH ON THE OTHER ONES AS WELL.

SO THE REASON WE'RE FOCUSING ON THE LIMITED BUSINESS DISTRICT IS THE STAFF HAVE NOTICED A COUPLE OF ISSUES WITH IT THAT REALLY THERE'S SOME SOME INCONSISTENCIES BETWEEN ALLOWED USES AND ESPECIALLY LOT SIZES, BUT IT SEEMED TO BE INHIBITING DEVELOPMENT AND INVESTMENT IN THE LIMITED BUSINESS DISTRICT. AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, THROUGHOUT THE CITY, THE PARCELS

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THERE'S A MUCH WIDER ARRAY OF ALLOWED USES THERE, AND THAT COMPRISES A LOT OF WHAT YOU WOULD GENERALLY THINK OF AS YOUR YOUR COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY. IT'S ALSO WHERE ALL OF OUR, THE MOST OF OUR AUTO USES ARE THAT'S IN GENERAL BUSINESS. SO SOMETHING LIKE A MECHANIC OR SOMETHING IS GOING TO FALL IN YOUR GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. THIS DISTRICT DOES NOT ALLOW ANY HOUSING. SO ALL HOUSING THAT'S THERE IS WHAT WAS CONSTRUCTED PRIOR TO CREATING OR ESTABLISHING THIS DISTRICT AND LABELING THE PARCELS AS SUCH. AND THERE AS WELL, PARKING IS REQUIRED. OFF STREET PARKING IS REQUIRED FOR ALL USES. LASTLY, THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT IS KIND OF YOUR TRADITIONAL TOWN TOWN. THERE'S MOSTLY FOCUSED ON RETAIL AND OFFICE SPACE OR THE SERVICE AND ENTERTAINMENT. HOUSING IS NOT ALLOWED EXCEPT FOR AS A MULTI-FAMILY STRUCTURE IN ADDITION TO A COMMERCIAL USE. SO THAT'S SOMETHING LIKE THIS BUILDING WHERE ON THE STREET LEVEL YOU SEE YOUR COMMERCIAL USES, AND THEN UP TOP YOU'LL SEE MORE HIGHER DENSITY HOUSING IN THIS DISTRICT. THIS GETS A LITTLE CONFUSING WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT PARKING BECAUSE IT'S DESIGNATED AN OFF STREET PARKING DISTRICT, WHICH ACTUALLY MEANS THEY DO NOT HAVE TO OR UNLESS IT'S A RESIDENTIAL USE, OFF STREET PARKING IS NOT REQUIRED BECAUSE WE HAVE THE PARKING LOT AND CITY GARAGE NEARBY, AND THERE'S LOTS OF STREET PARKING. SO THAT'S THE CONTEXT OF HOW THINGS ARE RIGHT NOW. AND IF I CAN JUST SUMMARIZE KIND OF THE KEY ISSUES FACING EACH OF THESE DISTRICTS, MULTIFAMILY IS ALLOWED IN LIMITED BUSINESS AND CENTRAL BUSINESS. CENTRAL BUSINESS, SO LONG AS IT'S ABOVE A FIRST FLOOR COMMERCIAL USE. SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING IS NOT ALLOWED IN LIMITED OR GENERAL LIMITED. IT'S ONLY ALLOWED AS ACCESSORY TO A COMMERCIAL USE, AND THEN IT IS NOT ALLOWED IN CENTRAL BUSINESS. SO WE KIND OF HAVE A VARIETY OF HOUSING THAT IS ALLOWED IN EACH OF THESE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS. AND THEN, AS BRENNAN EXPLAINED, LIMITED BUSINESS AND GENERAL BUSINESS BOTH HAVE EXPLICIT OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS, MEANING ANY USE THAT GOES INTO THESE ZONING DISTRICTS HAS A PARKING REQUIREMENT TO MEET.

CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT IS WHAT IS DESIGNATED AS AN OFF STREET PARKING DISTRICT. WE HAD CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS. THAT'S A LITTLE MISLEADING. YEAH. IS THERE A WAY TO SEE, LIKE ON A CITY MAP WHERE THESE. YES, WE WILL GET THERE NEXT SLIDE. YEP. BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTOOD HOUSING IS ALLOWED IN A VARIETY OF THESE DISTRICTS. SINGLE FAMILY IS BEING PHASED OUT OF SOME OF THESE DISTRICTS. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AS IT PERTAINS TO PARKING, LIMITED IN GENERAL HAVE EXPLICIT PARKING REQUIREMENTS. CENTRAL BUSINESS DOES NOT. AND THAT IS, I THINK, ONE OF THE MAIN ISSUES THAT THE LIMITED BUSINESS PROPERTIES FACE IS THAT THEY HAVE THIS EXPLICIT PARKING REQUIREMENT, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE SMALLER LOT SIZES TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE MAIN ISSUE THAT I THINK THOSE THAT DISTRICT IS FACING. AND IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT PAGE TO THE AND WE ACTUALLY JUST HAVE A BRAND NEW, OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR ACTUALLY PUT AN INTERACTIVE ZONING MAP ONLINE. SO NOW THAT IS SOMETHING THAT

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ONE EXAMPLE OF THIS IS THERE WERE A SCORE OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES THAT WERE CONSIDERED LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING BECAUSE THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE AND THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH CHANGED. SO IN ESSENCE, WHAT THAT DID WAS IT FROZE ALL OF THOSE PROPERTIES IN TIME BECAUSE YOU ESSENTIALLY CAN'T MAKE A NONCONFORMITY MORE NON-CONFORMING. SO THERE WERE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE TO THE ZONING CODE THAT THEN JUST FROZE THOSE. SO WE'VE REALLY BEEN TRYING AS STAFF TO IDENTIFY AS MANY OF THOSE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES SO THAT WE CAN REMOVE THAT LEGAL, NONCONFORMING STATUS FROM AS MANY PROPERTIES AS WE CAN. SO THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND THEN THE LOT SIZES ARE TWO OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES, I THINK, WITH LEGAL NONCONFORMING STATUS IN THE LIMITED BUSINESS DISTRICT. I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THE PROPERTY TAXES AND PROPERTY VALUES OF THE HOMES THAT ARE IN THE ELB. LIKE, ARE THEY TANKING? I THINK THAT'S PEOPLE GETTING SCREWED. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I THINK WE'D NEED TO LOOK AND KIND OF SEE. WE HAVE WE KNOW WHAT PROPERTIES ARE SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTIES IN THIS ZONE. SO I THINK THAT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING AS WE KIND OF DECIDE WHAT THE FUTURE OF THIS IS, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A REALLY VALUABLE THING TO KNOW, JUST KIND OF WHAT THE EFFECT OF THIS HAS BEEN. I HAVE A JUST A CLARIFYING QUESTION OR KIND OF TO SUMMARIZE. SO WHEN WE CHANGED THE ZONE TO LIMITED BUSINESS FOR THE 40TH AVENUE AREA, WERE WE JUST TRYING TO PROMOTE BUSINESS GROWTH, LIKE GET RID OF THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND THEN JUST MAKE IT JUST MORE BUSINESS? IS THAT THE REASON WHY I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK TO WHY SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES WERE TAKEN OUT OF THAT DISTRICT? I THINK THAT THE IDEA IS THAT THIS IS KIND OF FOR SMALLER SCALE BUSINESSES THAT ARE MEANT TO SERVE THE NEIGHBORHOODS ADJACENT TO IT. YOU KNOW, THEY DO ALLOW FOR MULTIFAMILY AS A PERMITTED USE, AND THEN SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING AS ACCESSORY TO COMMERCIAL USES.

I THINK IT KIND OF FITS MAYBE THE DIRECTION THAT GENERAL BUSINESS WENT IN, WHERE WE KIND OF DECIDED THAT THOSE ARE THE PRIMARY BUSINESS DISTRICTS. SO DO WE WANT TO SEE AS MUCH SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING IN A DISTRICT THAT IS DESIGNED FOR COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY? I CAN'T REALLY SPECULATE. MITCH. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ADD ANY MORE CONTEXT. YEAH. JUST JUST TO SPEAK TO THAT, I THINK THAT THIS PART OF THE LIMITED BUSINESS DISTRICT IS A GOOD IT EXEMPLIFIES KIND OF HOW ZONING CAN BE USED TO TRY AND FUTURE PROOF AN AREA. SO AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DECIDED THAT THIS PART OF THE DISTRICT, WE WANTED IT TO BE CO.

AND SO BY NOT ALLOWING SINGLE FAMILIES, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE SAYING THAT FROM NOW ON, THE FUTURE OF THIS DISTRICT WILL SLOWLY CHANGE TO SOMETHING ELSE. RIGHT? THE CITY IS NOT GOING TO

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IF SOMEONE WANTS TO DO AN ADDITION ON THEIR HOME, THEY CAN'T DO AN ADDITION. THEY CAN'T MAKE ANY MAJOR REPAIRS OR IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PROPERTY. SO IT DOESN'T TANK THE VALUE, BUT YOU JUST DON'T HAVE THAT INVESTMENT THAT A NORMAL PERSON WOULD HAVE IN THAT TYPE OF DISTRICT. AND THE ONLY OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO ADD JUST IS THAT THE COMP PLAN DOES HAVE THAT ENTIRE STRETCH OF 40TH FROM WEST OF CENTRAL GUIDED AS EITHER COMMERCIAL TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT OR TRANSITIONAL DEVELOPMENT. SO I THINK THAT ALSO KIND OF IDENTIFIES THAT THE GOAL IS TO HAVE THAT BE A TRANSITIONAL DISTRICT, ESSENTIALLY KIND OF SCALING DOWN THE ACTIVITY FROM THE BUSIER ROADS, UNIVERSITY AND CENTRAL MOST INTENSE USES, KIND OF ALONG THOSE ROADS. AND THEN AS YOU KIND OF GET AWAY FROM THOSE, IT WOULD IT'S DIFFICULT JUST BECAUSE COLUMBIA HEIGHTS IS SO SMALL LAND WISE THAT TRANSITIONAL DISTRICTS, I DON'T THINK, NECESSARILY FUNCTION. THEY WOULD THE WAY THEY WOULD IN LARGER, MORE KIND OF LIKE SPRAWLED OUT CITIES. SO I THINK THAT JUST THE COMP PLAN SHOWING THAT THAT IS KIND OF THE INTENTION OF THAT DISTRICT TO ACCOMMODATE A VARIETY OF COMMERCIAL TO ACCOMMODATE KIND OF MORE DENSE RESIDENTIAL, THE COMP PLAN ESSENTIALLY SHOWING THAT THAT IS WHAT THAT ULTIMATE GOAL FOR THAT DISTRICT IS. NO. OKAY. OKAY. SO FROM HERE, I KIND OF FIGURED WE WOULD DIVE IN AS MORE OF A DISCUSSION NOW THAT WE HAVE SOME CONTEXT. SO WITH ALL THAT SAID, WE KIND OF LOOKED AT IT ALREADY ON THE MAP, BUT WE'VE BEEN FINDING IT REALLY HELPFUL TO THINK ABOUT THESE LIMITED BUSINESS DISTRICTS BROKEN INTO THE CLUSTERS OF GEOGRAPHICALLY. WHERE ARE THESE LOTS LOCATED? SO THERE ARE FIVE WILL GO THROUGH THEM. AND I'LL KIND OF PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT OF WHAT WHAT ARE WE SEEING IN THAT AREA. AND THEN OPEN IT UP TO SOME CONVERSATION. THE FIRST I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT IS UNIVERSITY. SO STARTING ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN, ALONG THAT AREA, WE'RE SEEING IT'S MOSTLY A STRAIGHT STRETCH OF LIMITED BUSINESS PARCELS OVER FIVE BLOCKS TOGETHER. BUT THERE IS A LITTLE INTERRUPTION WITH A COUPLE RESIDENTIAL AND GENERAL BUSINESS PARCELS TO THE SOUTH. WE SEE MORE RESIDENTIAL PARCELS AND TO THE NORTH WE'RE SEEING MORE GENERAL BUSINESS PARCELS ALONG THAT ROAD. AND THIS IS I, I THINK THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS REALLY STARTED WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINE CONVERSATION THAT TOOK PLACE IN FEBRUARY. AND I THINK WE'LL PROBABLY BE A MUCH LONGER CONVERSATION AROUND WHAT IS THE VISION FOR THIS AREA, ESPECIALLY KNOWING WE HAVE SO MUCH TRAFFIC ON UNIVERSITY. THIS IS ON THE FRONTAGE ROAD. IT PROVIDES A KIND OF A BUFFER BETWEEN UNIVERSITY AND THE REST OF THE RESIDENTIAL AREA, BUT WANT TO POSE A CERTAIN QUESTION AROUND KNOWING THAT THERE IS TRULY A WIDE MIX OF USES THERE RIGHT NOW BETWEEN BUSINESS AND RESIDENTIAL, TRULY SCATTERED TOGETHER THERE? HOW DO YOU HOW ARE YOU ALL THINKING ABOUT WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE ON UNIVERSITY AS YOU THINK ABOUT THAT MOVING FORWARD AND KNOWING THAT THE UNIVERSITY AVENUE RECONSTRUCTION THAT WE HAVE COMING UP COULD ALSO PROVIDE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY TO VISION MORE THERE. AND THEN JUST ALSO FOR SOME CONTEXT, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP IN FEBRUARY IS PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.

I THINK THE RAIL YARD WAS A BIG FOCUS, JUST THE WAYFINDING, I THINK WAS A FOCUS, LIKE THEY REALLY WANTED TO MAKE UNIVERSITY HAVE THE DISTINCT FEEL THAT IT DOES. AND THEN JUST FOR FURTHER REFERENCE, THE COMP PLAN GUIDES HAS A VARIETY OF GUIDELINES FOR THIS AREA WITH SOME PARCELS.

BASICALLY THE PARCELS ZONED GENERAL BUSINESS OUR GUIDE FOR COMMERCIAL. BUT THEN IN BETWEEN THEM YOU WILL SEE A FEW INSTITUTIONAL USES, SOME LOW DENSITY HOUSING, HIGH DENSITY HOUSING. TO ME, THIS LOOKS LIKE IT'S KIND OF HAS A LITTLE BIT OF EVERY DISTRICT. IN ESSENCE, YOU

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WE HAVE AN IDEA OF THE A LOT OF THAT STRETCH ON THE WEST SIDE IS OF UNIVERSITY. IS FRIDLEY RIGHT.

DO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THEIR PLANS ARE FOR THAT AREA? I THINK IT'S MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL RIGHT NOW, ISN'T IT? OR FULLY RESIDENTIAL. WOULD THAT AFFECT ANYTHING AT ALL FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE AS FAR AS MADAM CHAIR? YEP, IT DEFINITELY WOULD. IT'S DEFINITELY WARRANTS CONSIDERATION. IT IS MULTIFAMILY. THE MAJORITY OF THAT'S MULTIFAMILY KIND OF SIMILAR TO OUR WESTERN EDGE OF THE KIND OF LIKE THE 40TH GOING NORTH, MULTIFAMILY TOWNHOMES, THOSE TYPES OF ITEMS. SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT FOR THESE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SHOWS ON THAT, BUT THAT DEFINITELY WORTH CONSIDERATION. AND WHEN YOU SAY TRANSITION, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TRANSITION FROM THE ACTUAL ROADWAY TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S KIND OF BOTH, I WOULD SAY TRANSITION FROM THE BUSIER ROADWAYS TO LESS FREQUENTED LOCAL ROADS. BUT IT'S ALSO, I FEEL LIKE YOU SEE THE MOST INTENSE USES ALONG UNIVERSITY AND ALONG CENTRAL. SO I THINK THE IDEA OF THE TRANSITIONAL DISTRICT OR TRANSITIONAL DEVELOPMENT IS ESSENTIALLY SCALING IT DOWN AS YOU GET FURTHER INWARD IN THE CITY. SO BASICALLY THINK OF LIKE UNIVERSITY AND CENTRAL HAVING THE MOST INTENSE LAND USES AND THEN SLOWLY SCALING DOWN AS YOU GET FURTHER TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, ALONG 40TH I WOULD SAY. I WAS CURIOUS. I WAS TOLD ONCE THAT LIKE FROM ABOUT 45TH NORTH ON THE FRONTAGE ROAD OF UNIVERSITY, PART OF THAT ROAD IS ACTUALLY OWNED BY FRIDLEY. I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHAT KIND OF EFFECT THAT CREATES FOR HEIGHTS. IF FRONTAGE ROAD IS A SHARED. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I DID NOT ANTICIPATE THAT. SO LET ME LOOK INTO IT A LITTLE FURTHER. I DO, I BELIEVE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, WE DO SHARE THAT ROAD WITH FRIDLEY, BUT I COULD BE WRONG. WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT ONE AND GET BACK TO YOU. YEP. MIGHT HAVE TO DO. I HAVE

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SO THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT. LOOK INTO IT FURTHER AND I'LL SEE IF I CAN GET AN ANSWER FOR YOU ON THAT. JJ WELL, I GUESS I WAS JUST WONDERING, LIKE, IS THERE AN APPETITE TO SORT OF COMMERCIALIZE UNIVERSITY IN THE SAME WAY THAT CENTRAL IS COMMERCIALIZED? I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A DESIRE PER SE. I THINK THAT IT'S COMING FROM THERE ARE MULTIFAMILY USES. THERE ARE SOME LOWER DENSITY USES. I CAN YOU GO BACK ONE? YEAH, THERE'S A CHURCH THERE AND THEN THERE'S A BUNCH OF GENERAL BUSINESS PARCELS. SO THE COMP PLAN GUIDES PART OF THESE AREAS FOR COMMERCIAL. AND THEN THE PLACES ESSENTIALLY THAT DO HAVE THE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING. IT'S JUST A HODGEPODGE OF USES.

AND SO IT SEEMS LIKE IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE A DEFINED. LIKE CHARACTERISTIC OR NATURE TO IT.

AND I THINK THAT LIMITS KIND OF SOME OF THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT THESE PROPERTIES HAVE JUST LACKING KIND OF THAT COHESION. YEAH, I, I THINK ONE THING I FOUND INSIGHTFUL WITH THAT TOO, IS IN OUR CURRENT THE 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT MAKES MENTION THAT IN THE PREVIOUS THE 2030 PLAN, THEY HAD INDICATED THAT THAT SHOULD BE MIXED USE AND THEN REALLY REALIZED LIKE THE PARCEL SIZES WERE CREATING A BARRIER THERE. AND THEY WANTED TO BE ABLE TO FOCUS MORE ON DIFFERENT PARTS OF COLUMBIA HEIGHTS. AND SO INSTEAD OF FOCUSING ON WHAT THIS WOULD BE LIKE, THIS PART SECTION WOULD BE LONG TERM THAT THE ZONING MAP, IT WAS A CONSCIOUS DECISION TO ZONE IT AS IT AS CURRENT USES WERE TO REFLECT THAT. AND SO I THINK THAT'S PART OF WHERE IT'S THIS MAYBE IS PART OF THE LONGER CONVERSATION WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AS IT CAME UP IN FEBRUARY. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WANT TO REVISIT WITH THE 2050 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? MIGHT BE JUST SOMETHING THAT'S CAN BE FOOD FOR THOUGHT, I SUPPOSE. DO WE WANT TO KIND OF BUILD LIKE A CORRIDOR PLAN WITH UNIVERSITY AND 40TH, WHICH WILL ACTUALLY KIND OF GET INTO A LITTLE BIT LATER BECAUSE THOSE ARE IDENTIFIED AS COMP PLAN GOALS. AND I THINK WE'RE STILL KIND OF SEEING THAT'S THE SAME ISSUE THAT I FEEL LIKE THIS CORRIDOR IS FACING. BUT LIKE I SAID, WE'LL GET INTO THAT IN A LITTLE BIT. SO MOVING ON, THE NEXT CLUSTER WE'LL LOOK AT IS 40TH AVENUE, AND WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT THE SECTION BETWEEN. IT'S MOSTLY AROUND WASHINGTON STREET TO JACKSON STREET IS WHERE THE LIMITED BUSINESS CLUSTER IS. MOST OF THOSE I WANT TO SAY IT'S 70% OF THOSE PARCELS CURRENTLY HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE ON THEM. AND SO THIS IS WHERE WE REALLY START TO THINK ABOUT THAT CONVERSATION. WE'VE DOVE INTO IT A LITTLE BIT ALREADY, BUT AROUND WHAT IS THE ROLE OF HOUSING IN THE LIMITED BUSINESS DISTRICT IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD MOVING FORWARD, ESPECIALLY KNOWING THIS STRETCH IS SURROUNDED TO THE WEST WITH THE GENERAL BUSINESS PARCELS AND TO THE EAST WITH CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT ON CENTRAL. SO THIS IS WHERE, YOU KNOW, TO SOME DEGREE, I THINK THE CONCEPT THERE WAS WE KNOW THAT THIS STRETCH IS A HIGHER

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SO YOU CAN HOP OVER TO UNIVERSITY, TO A MORE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS SLASH PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY AREA AS A TRANSITION BETWEEN THE TWO SITES. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS REITERATED, I FEEL LIKE VERY CONSISTENTLY DURING SOME OF THE ENGAGEMENT ON THAT WAS THE NEED TO PRESERVE THE ON STREET PARKING BECAUSE OF THOSE PARKING NEEDS THAT SOME OF THE BUSINESSES FACE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WHEN WE TOOK ONE OF THE ZONING AMENDMENTS HERE IN THE PAST YEAR, WE WANTED TO SPELL THAT OUT EXPLICITLY, THAT THIS WAS AN EXPECTATION OF THAT DISTRICT. AND AS FAR AS LIKE THE DESIGN GUIDELINES GO THAT WE NEED TO PRESERVE ON STREET PARKING BECAUSE OF HOW LIMITED THE ACTUAL OFF STREET PARKING AVAILABILITY IS. I, I THINK I REALLY LIKE THE IDEA OF OUR EXPECTED PLAN FOR 40TH TO HAVE IT MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY. SO IT SOUNDS TO ME THAT WE'RE GOING INTO HAVING THIS AS A LIMITED BUSINESS DISTRICT, RIGHT? AND THEN LIKE HAVING RESTAURANTS, BEING HAVING IT MORE OPEN TO PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY, PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, I THINK THAT'LL JUST PROMOTE A LOT FOR THAT STREET SPECIFICALLY. AND IT GOES WELL WITH THE ETHOS OF WHAT OUR CITY DOES. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. DID ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON 40TH, WHAT THEY FEEL LIKE, HOW IT FUNCTIONS? WHAT DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING? I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT OF 40TH AS KIND OF AN OLD, OLD TIMEY, MORE LIKE MAIN STREET. IT HAS A POTENTIAL FOR THAT, KNOWING THAT THERE'S HOUSES ON THERE. BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME HOUSES THAT THEY OBVIOUSLY HAD STOREFRONTS AT ONE TIME, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, 40, 50, 60 YEARS AGO. BUT BUT THE BUILDINGS JUST KIND OF HAVE THAT APPEAL TO THEM AND TO KIND OF KEEP THAT I AGREE WITH, YOU KNOW, MAKING IT MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY SOUNDS AMAZING. YOU KNOW, IT'S RIGHT OFF THE PARKS WITH PUSIT AND JUST MAKING IT MORE FRIENDLY FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD SO THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE WALKING TO THOSE BUSINESSES AND THAT KIND OF THING, OR IT'S EASIER FOR THEM TO GET THERE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT PRESERVED OF THE TYPES OF BUILDINGS THAT WE HAVE THERE NOW, THE BUSINESSES AND HOW THEY LOOK, THE KIND OF APPEAL OF THAT SMALL TOWN MAIN STREET FEEL. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, LIKE IF YOU IF YOU DRIVE DOWN 169 TOWARDS MANKATO, YOU KNOW, YOU GO THROUGH BELLE PLAINE AND JORDAN AND SAINT PETER, ALL THOSE TOWNS, AND YOU ALWAYS THINK LIKE, OH, I MUST BE ON THE MAIN STREET IN BELLE PLAINE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A MAIN STREET THAT ISN'T ON 169 IN BELLE PLAINE AND THE SAME OF JORDAN. AND I FEEL LIKE 40TH IS OUR. JUST TO REITERATE WHAT YOU SAID, IT'S LIKE OUR MAIN STREET AND PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, JUST ZOOM DOWN CENTRAL THINKING THAT'S OUR MAIN STREET. BUT IT'S NOT I MEAN, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF CHARACTER AND A LOT OF I MEAN, CITY HALL AND FIRE AND POLICE ALL USED TO BE THERE. I KNOW THEY'RE NOT THERE NOW, BUT. I LOVE THE IDEA OF MAKING THAT SORT OF OLD TIMEY NEIGHBORHOOD, SORT OF MAIN STREET THAT PEOPLE TURN INTO. I THINK THAT GIVES

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AND KIND OF HOW DOES HOW DOES THAT FRICTION WHAT WHAT HOW DOES THAT CONTRIBUTE. SO THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT. I ALSO THINK YOU KEYED IN ON ONE OF THE KEY, YOU KNOW, WITH THE RECONSTRUCTION OF UNIVERSITY AND CENTRAL, YOU KNOW, CENTRAL IS A ROADWAY THAT THE INTENTION IS TO HANDLE VEHICLE TRAFFIC. AND I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT EXACTLY THE CLASSIFICATION IS, BUT WITH THE CENTRAL RECONSTRUCTION, ONE OF THE GOALS IS GOING TO BE LIMITING DIRECT LAND USE.

BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WITH THE AMOUNT OF VOLUME THAT THEY HANDLE, YOU CAN'T REALLY HAVE DIRECT LAND ACCESS OFF CENTRAL OFF UNIVERSITY WITHOUT COMPROMISING THOSE THE CUES, JUST HOW THEY NEED TO HANDLE TRAFFIC. AND SO I DO FEEL LIKE JUST LISTENING TO YOU GUYS AND BEING HERE FOR A FEW YEARS, 40TH IS OUR OUR MAIN STREET. AND I THINK THAT THAT IS VERY MUCH HOW THOSE BUSINESSES KIND OF SEE IT AS WELL. AND SO I THINK THAT YOU GUYS REALLY KEYED ON KIND OF WHAT ONE OF THOSE KEY GOALPOSTS FOR THAT AREA IS GOING TO BE. BUT THE PARKING CONVERSATION BROUGHT UP AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS CONVERSATION AS WELL, BECAUSE ONE IDEA THAT'S BEEN BOUNCED AROUND IN, WHICH HAS REALLY BEEN BOUNCING AROUND TOO, IS WOULD IT SERVE 40TH AVENUE TO HAVE AN OFF STREET PARKING DISTRICT THERE AS WELL? WOULD THAT BE HELPFUL IN ALLOWING SOME OF THESE, ESPECIALLY LIKE YOU WERE MENTIONING, THE HOUSES THAT CLEARLY HAVE STOREFRONTS, WOULD THAT HELP ENCOURAGE COMMERCIAL USE IN THAT AREA AND THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY BUILT? THAT FRONTAGE ROAD ON UNIVERSITY WOULD NOT DOES NOT HAVE A SIDEWALK, IT DOESN'T HAVE OFF STREET PARKING. AND SO OR IT DOESN'T HAVE ON STREET PARKING. AND SO REMOVING THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS THERE WOULDN'T REALLY BE VIABLE IN TERMS OF YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE A COMMERCIAL USE ALONG THAT FRONTAGE ROAD THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY SORT OF PARKING SPACE. BUT ON 40TH IS KIND OF RAISES THE QUESTION, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL HERE? JUST A LITTLE CONTEXT. I KNOW WE KEEP GETTING OFF TOPIC, BUT JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF THAT IS A LOT OF THE BUSINESSES WE ALL LOVE ROMANS, MILLERS. THOSE WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED IN THE LIMITED BUSINESS DISTRICT OR ON 40TH AT THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, RIGHT? BECAUSE THOSE BUSINESSES ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE MORE OFF STREET PARKING THAN IS POSSIBLE WITH THE SITES THEY HAVE. SO WE'LL NEVER HAVE NEW BUSINESSES LIKE THOSE ABLE TO COME IN OR DO THINGS. AND BRENNA WILL COVER THAT IN ONE OF THE OTHER, THE OTHER DISTRICTS AS WELL. SO SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. MOVING ON TO CENTRAL, WE HAVE REALLY IN CENTRAL WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT CHUNKS OF LIMITED BUSINESS PARCELS OR. YEAH, WITHIN THIS CLUSTER SPANNING A COUPLE OF BLOCKS. AND MOST OF WHAT'S AROUND IT IS A GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. SO BETWEEN WHAT THE SURROUNDINGS AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INDICATES THAT THIS WHOLE AREA SHOULD BE COMMERCIAL. IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO US TO THINK ABOUT REZONING THESE PARCELS, TO BE GENERAL BUSINESS, TO MATCH THEIR NEIGHBORS, AND WOULD MAKE ADMINISTERING IT JUST A LOT CLEARER. OF THE PARCELS THAT ARE LIMITED DISTRICT OR LIMITED BUSINESS, A LOT OF THEM ARE, I THINK IT'S SEVEN ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING RIGHT NOW. AND THERE ARE ALSO WITHIN THE GENERAL BUSINESS ALONG THAT THAT CORRIDOR, THERE'S ALREADY SOME HOUSING THERE AS WELL, SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING. AND THE CITY HAS REALLY HAD A POLICY OF STARTING TO PURCHASE THOSE AND PREPARE THEM FOR REDEVELOPMENT. AND SO SOME OF THE CONVERSATION THERE WOULD BE, WOULD WE TAKE A SIMILAR APPROACH WITH THESE PARCELS TO HELP CREATE A UNIFIED CENTRAL AVENUE CORRIDOR THERE? THAT SAID, ANDREW NOTED EARLIER THAT MULTIFAMILY IS NOT A PERMITTED USE IN GENERAL BUSINESS. IT'S THE ONLY OF THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS THAT DOES NOT ALLOW ANY SORT OF HOUSING. AND I THINK WITH WITH THE KNOWING THAT ALONG THIS CORRIDOR, WE'RE EXPECTING PROBABLY SOME HOUSING DEMAND BETWEEN ANTICIPATED POTENTIAL TRANSIT OPPORTUNITIES AND THE NEED FOR HOUSING, IT RAISES THE

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MULTIFAMILY IS ALLOWED IN TWO OF THE THREE. THE BUSINESS DISTRICTS, SHOULD THAT BE CONSISTENT WITH KIND OF WHERE THE REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS ARE GOING AND KIND OF THE DESIRE TO HAVE THE MOST INTENSE USES, WHICH I FEEL LIKE HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IS ONE OF THE MORE INTENSE USES. SHOULD THAT BE KIND OF ALONG THE MORE ACTIVE ROADS? ESSENTIALLY, LIKE WITH CENTRAL AND UNIVERSITY, GIVEN KIND OF HOW WE'VE SEEN WHAT IS CURRENTLY THERE AND THEN WHAT IS ON THE HORIZON? IS THIS BUILDING IN THAT SAME ZONE. SO THIS BUILDING IS ACTUALLY KIND OF UNIQUE IN THE SENSE THAT IT'S CENTRAL BUSINESS. BUT THIS WAS DONE THROUGH A PUD PROCESS, WHICH IS LIKELY WHAT MEDTRONIC AND RAINBOW ARE LIKELY GOING TO COME IN AS A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. IT'S KIND OF YOU USE IT TO ALLEVIATE SOME RESTRICTIONS ON ZONING CODE, UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT YOU ARE GOING TO BE PROVIDING A SUPERIOR LIKE PRODUCTS, BETTER SERVICES, LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO PRODUCE A BETTER PRODUCT IN EXCHANGE FOR GOING THIS DIFFERENT ROUTE. OKAY. IS THAT A SAFE WAY TO KIND OF EXPLAIN IT, MITCH? ALL RIGHT. WE'RE OVER ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE CITY NOW, AND STINSON BOULEVARD. WE HAVE THIS BLOCK THAT'S A PICTURE OF CENTRAL AGAIN. BUT MY APOLOGIES. IS IT? IT'S A ONE BLOCK. THERE'S A SEVEN PARCELS THERE. SIX OF THEM ARE BEING USED FOR MULTIFAMILY HOUSING AND ONE IS BEING USED WELL. ONE IS WAS A COMMERCIAL BUILDING. IT'S CURRENTLY VACANT, SO IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY HAVE A USE AT THE MOMENT. THEY'RE ALL IT'S IN THAT CORNER THAT'S ACROSS FROM FRIDLEY AND OR NOT FRIDLEY, SAINT ANTHONY. AND THERE'S MINNEAPOLIS TO THE SOUTH. AND ALL OF THEY'RE BOTH CITIES ARE USING THOSE AS A MIXED COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL AREA.

SO KEEPING THAT AS A RESIDENTIAL AREA WOULD BE IN LINE, OR THAT MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL WOULD BE IN LINE WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD OR, YOU KNOW, KEEPING IT AS IS OF ALLOWING SOME AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL, BUT ALSO BEING IN CHARACTER WITH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT IF WE'RE STARTING TO THINK ABOUT WHAT IS LIMITED BUSINESS DISTRICT, WHAT'S THE FUTURE OF IT? I THINK THIS IS AN AREA WHERE THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE ZONE, THE R-3, THAT COULD CERTAINLY BE RELEVANT THERE. SO THAT'S PART OF THE CONVERSATION. IF WE DO WANT TO GO THE ROUTE OF THINKING ABOUT SOME OF THESE CLUSTERS AND REZONING THEM, THAT WOULD BE ONE WHERE IT'S A PRETTY, PRETTY VIABLE OPTION AND CLEAR TRANSFER FROM. WE'RE CURRENTLY USING IT FOR MULTIFAMILY HOUSING WE COULD REZONE AS MULTIFAMILY HOUSING THERE, AND JUST TO KIND OF SUMMARIZE, I THINK STINSON, BECAUSE ALL OF THESE PARCELS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE VACANT ONE, ARE BEING USED FOR MULTIFAMILY. THE COMP PLAN ALSO GUIDES THAT FOR HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, THAT IS, I FEEL LIKE PROBABLY THE EASIEST TO REZONE ALONG WITH THE CENTRAL PROPERTIES, AS WE'VE KIND OF CLEARLY DETERMINED THAT WHOLE CENTRAL AVENUE IS BEING GUIDED FOR COMMERCIAL. I THINK AS WE KIND OF GET INTO COMP PLAN SEASON, WE'LL HAVE MORE CONVERSATIONS ON WHETHER THAT NEEDS TO BE A MIX OF COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. BUT THOSE ARE

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BUT WE DEFINITELY TO GET MORE PEOPLE THERE INTO THOSE AREAS AND USE THE ZONING OR FIX THE ZONING A LITTLE BIT SO WE CAN GET MORE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING THERE. I THINK CENTRAL AVENUE DEFINITELY MAKES MORE SENSE FOR HAVING THAT MULTIFAMILY HOUSING JUST BEING RIGHT ON. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A BUS LINE THERE. THERE'S A LOT MORE OPTIONS FOR FOOD AND EMPLOYMENT. HONESTLY, WITH ALL THE BUSINESSES ALONG CENTRAL, SO THAT THAT PART DOES MAKE SENSE TO ME. I THINK I DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN OF CHANGING SOME THINGS WITH PARKING REQUIREMENTS. WHAT WHAT

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BUT I WOULD ALSO, I BELIEVE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE PLACES OF WORSHIP, ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE A TRANSPORTATION MANAGEMENT PLAN. SO AS PART OF THE REVIEW PROCESS, KIND OF SIMILAR TO WHAT THE CAR WASH WENT THROUGH, WHERE THEY HAD TO PROVIDE A TRAFFIC STUDY TO A DEGREE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE THINGS WE WOULD WANT TO SEE FOR THOSE PURPOSES OF, OKAY, YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, 4000. QUINCY IS A CHURCH THAT IS GOING TO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT PARKING DEMAND AT CERTAIN TIMES. SO WE WOULD WANT TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF A CHURCH CAME IN OR IF AN INSTITUTIONAL USE THAT COULD BE SOMETHING LIKE CITY HALL, THAT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, GOVERNMENT AGENCY, THAT COULD BE A SCHOOL. WE WOULD WANT TO KNOW HOW THEY PLAN TO HANDLE THAT TRAFFIC WHERE THEY PUT THOSE CARS. SO I THINK THAT THAT WOULD LIKELY HAVE THAT WOULDN'T CHANGE, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD STILL HAVE THE TRANSPORTATION MANAGEMENT PLAN. IT WOULD STILL HAVE AN EXPLICIT PARKING REQUIREMENT. SO I FEEL LIKE IT WOULD KIND OF FOLLOW WHAT IS ALLOWED IN CENTRAL BUSINESS TO A DEGREE. IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. JUST ON THAT SAME VEIN. SO PLACES OF WORSHIP IS THAT CONSIDERED LIMITED BUSINESS OR CENTRAL PART OF THE CENTRAL BUSINESS, OR IS IT MORE BASED ON THE DISTRICT ITSELF, THE WAY THE, THE, THE PLACE OF WORSHIP CAN BE USED AS WELL, OR IS BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF PARKING LOTS THAT ARE THERE, OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO I CAN IT'S BASED OFF OF THE DISTRICT. OKAY. SO IT'S JUST A LIKE ALL OF OUR OTHER USES, IT'S ALLOWED IN CERTAIN DISTRICTS. I KNOW IT'S ALLOWED IN THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. AND THEN I BELIEVE THE LIMITED BUSINESS, BUT WE DON'T ALLOW IT IN ANY OF OUR COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS AT THIS TIME. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN THE OTHER THING I JUST WANTED TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO IS THAT THE COMP PLAN, THE 2040 COMP PLAN, ACTUALLY IDENTIFIES THE NEED TO KIND OF CREATE DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR 40TH AVENUE AND UNIVERSITY CORRIDORS. SO I FEEL LIKE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS ARE KIND OF KEYING IN ON. WE STILL HAVEN'T NECESSARILY DEVELOPED A COHESIVE KIND OF PLAN FOR THIS. THOSE TWO STREETS. THE TRANSITIONAL CHARACTER DESCRIBED BY LIMITED BUSINESS IS MOSTLY ALIGNED WITH THE CONDITIONS ON 40TH AND UNIVERSITY. AND SO I THINK THAT THE COMP PLAN GOALS OF JUST ASSEMBLING A REDEVELOPMENT PLAN TO PROVIDE FOR INCREASED NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND PROTECT EXISTING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AS APPROPRIATE, WE KIND OF SEEM TO HAVE KEYED IN ON THE BUSINESS DISTRICTS TO A DEGREE, SHOULD HAVE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING JUST BASED ON KIND OF WHAT IS COMING DOWN THE PIPELINE AND WHAT'S ALREADY THERE, AND THAT WE SHOULD COORDINATE THESE EFFORTS WHENEVER REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES ARISE, WHICH IS, I THINK, KIND OF WHAT SPURRED THIS CONVERSATION. OH, YEAH, I WAS I THINK WITH THE 40TH AVENUE AREA, LIKE, I LIKE THE IDEA OF DROPPING THE PARKING REQUIREMENT THERE, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE GOING TO NARROW THE, YOU KNOW, THE STREET. SO IT ALLOWS FOR MORE

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THE INDUSTRIAL PARKING STANDARD ISN'T BEING TOUCHED. THAT WOULDN'T HAVE ANY CHANGE ON THOSE PROPERTIES, IS MY UNDERSTANDING. I THINK THAT KIND OF TAKES US TO SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN KIND OF TALKING ABOUT, WHICH IS THE CHALLENGES OF PARKING AND LIMITED BUSINESS. WE REALLY JUST KIND OF WANTED TO SEE WHAT YOUR GUYS'S FEEDBACK, AND I THINK WE'RE GETTING SOME GOOD COMMENTS ON THIS. YOU KNOW, ONE OPTION IS TO POTENTIALLY MAKE IT AN OFF STREET PARKING DISTRICT LIKE CENTRAL BUSINESS. OR WE CAN KIND OF TAKE AN INCREMENTAL STEP AND JUST SEE, YOU KNOW, ARE OUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS AS THEY STAND NOW IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE DEMANDS THAT BUSINESSES RESIDENTIAL USES FACE CURRENTLY? YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, WE KIND OF ACKNOWLEDGE FOR MULTIFAMILY HOUSING THAT MOST PLACES DON'T TYPICALLY PROVIDE TWO ENCLOSED PARKING SPACES. SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID WAS TWEAK THAT. AND ONLY ONE ENCLOSED PARKING SPACE IS REQUIRED. THAT FELT LIKE SOMETHING THAT WAS KIND OF OUT OF ALIGNMENT. AND WE'RE MAKING THOSE ACCOMMODATIONS ANYWAY. SO IF THAT IS KIND OF IF WE'RE MAKING EXIT EXAM EXEMPTIONS OR TRYING TO ALLEVIATE THAT STANDARD, TO ME THAT'S CREATES THE IMPRESSION THAT THE STANDARD ISN'T WORKING AND THAT YOU SHOULD BE CHANGING THAT TO REFLECT WHAT IS BEING ASKED FOR OR WHAT IS COMMONLY BEING BUILT IN THAT SENSE.

THIS IS KIND OF AN EXPANSION OF WHAT THOSE CLUSTERS OF LIMITED BUSINESS KIND OF FACE. AND BRANT IS KIND OF DETAILED. SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WOULD RESULT FROM JUST ESSENTIALLY REMOVING THE PARKING REQUIREMENT. OKAY. SO REALLY 40TH AND 37TH ARE THE AREAS THAT THAT WOULD PROBABLY WORK THE BEST IN BECAUSE THEY HAVE ANY THEY HAVE OFF STREET PARKING, EITHER ON THOSE ROADS OR ON THE SIDE ROADS OR BOTH. WELL, THEY HAVE IT ON BOTH. UNIVERSITY DOESN'T HAVE ANY STREET PARKING OR ON STREET PARKING OR SIDEWALK, SO THAT WOULD CREATE SOME CLEAR TRAFFIC ISSUES AND ALSO ACCESSIBILITY SAFETY ISSUES. IF PEOPLE ARE PARKING ON SIDE STREETS AND THEN TRYING TO ACCESS BUSINESSES ON UNIVERSITY OR ON THAT FRONTAGE ROAD. SIMILARLY, THAT CENTRAL DISTRICT CENTRAL AVENUE CLUSTER OF LIMITED BUSINESS THAT WHERE IT'S LOCATED, THEY DON'T HAVE A ON STREET PARKING THERE. SO IF WE MAINTAINED THE LIMITED BUSINESS ZONING IN THAT IN THOSE AREAS AND REMOVED THE PARKING REQUIREMENT, THOSE BUSINESSES WOULD NO LONGER BE REQUIRED TO HAVE OFF STREET PARKING AND THERE WOULD NOT BE ON STREET PARKING FOR THEM EITHER. SO IF WE WERE TO SAY THAT LIMITED BUSINESS DOESN'T HAVE ANY SORT OF PARKING REQUIREMENTS, IT WOULD PROBABLY MAKE SENSE TO REZONE THOSE AS GENERAL BUSINESS FIRST. AND THEN ON CENTRAL OR SORRY, ON STINSON. ALL OF THOSE MULTIFAMILY UNITS AND THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING THERE ALL HAVE PARKING LOTS ALREADY. BUT IF WE REMOVED THAT PARKING REQUIREMENT, THEY THERE'S NOT PARKING ON STINSON RIGHT NOW. AND SO THEY WOULD HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY. PRESUMABLY WE WOULDN'T SAY THAT THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS COULD REMOVE THEIR PARKING, BUT THAT COMMERCIAL LOT, IF THEY WANTED TO STAY COMMERCIAL, COULD FAIL IN ITS PARKING LOT AND THEN IT

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BUT THAT WAS KIND OF MY THOUGHT WAS JUST THERE AREN'T REALLY ANY CONDITIONS THAT WE SEEMINGLY CAN ADD. SO WHEN YOU'RE SAYING IT'S A IT REQUIRES A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, THAT MEANS IT NEEDS TO COME BEFORE US FOR APPROVAL AND THERE HAS TO BE A PUBLIC FORUM. YEP. AND THEN CITY COUNCIL AS WELL. HAVE WE HAD ANY INSTANCE RECENTLY WHERE WE NEEDED TO? I DON'T RECALL ONE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY IN THE LAST DECADE. THE LIQUOR STORE WAS THE MOST RECENT ONE, SO WE RECENTLY THE ONLY THE ONLY ZONING DISTRICT THAT ALLOWS FOR A MESSAGE BOARD SIGN ON A PYLON IS WITHIN CITY OWNED ZONING DISTRICTS LIKE PUBLIC OFFICE OR PARK. AND LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER DENEEN HAD SAID THE LIQUOR STORE WANTED TO ADD ONE OR WANTED TO REPLACE THE ONE THEY HAD UP ON UNIVERSITY AVENUE FOR THE MESSAGE BOARD. AND THAT'S THE LAST TIME WE HAD THAT HAD TO GO THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. SO IT'S NOT THERE'S ANYTHING IN THE SIGN CODE AGAINST SOUNDS FROM SIGNS, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD FALL UNDER YOUR PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, WHERE IF IT IS ESSENTIALLY TRAVELING TO HATE TO BRING THE CAR WASH UP AGAIN. BUT ONE OF THE REASONS THAT COULDN'T BE APPROVED IS BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY, UPON IMMEDIATELY GRANTING THAT USE, THEIR SOUND STUDY SHOWED US THAT THE ADJACENT PROPERTY WOULD BE EXPERIENCING LEVELS OF SOUND POLLUTION THAT ARE GREATER THAN WHAT THE MPCA ALLOWS. SO THAT WOULD BE KIND OF THE PERFORMANCE STANDARD THAT WOULD BE IN PLACE IF A SIGN WAS MAKING NOISE AND IT WAS THEN LEAVING THE PROPERTY. I THINK, ANDREW, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE MIGHT LOOK INTO JUST IN GENERAL AT LIKE SIGNS MAKING NOISES MIGHT BE WORTH NOT ALLOWING. YEAH. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING FOR THE FREQUENCY OF THE LIGHT STROBING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? NO. FLASHING LIGHTS ARE ALLOWED. OKAY, GOOD. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT BRIGHTNESS WHERE ARE THEY TAKING THAT FROM? I'M JUST CURIOUS IF IT'S LIKE THE OLD DAYS WHERE YOU HAVE A BAR SIGN SHINING THROUGH THE WINDOW OF THE APARTMENT UPSTAIRS. I WAS CURIOUS WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BRIGHTNESS, ARE THEY GOING FROM ROAD FROM NEIGHBORING BUSINESS? ACTUALLY MEASURE IT FROM THE SOUND, FROM THE SIGN FACE AT THE MAXIMUM BRIGHTNESS. AND THEN THERE IS A STANDARD FOR DAYLIGHT BRIGHTNESS, AND THEN THERE IS A STANDARD FOR NIGHTTIME BRIGHTNESS, WHICH ARE BOTH DEFINED. I THINK CHANGING IT TO PERMITTED USE IS A GREAT IDEA, I THINK JUST MAKES IT EFFICIENT.

NICE, I LIKE THAT. YOU GUYS HAVE ANYTHING ELSE FOR US? ANY OTHER UPDATES OR. YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING REAL QUICK. USUALLY YOU'LL SEE ME AT THESE MEETINGS THAT I WON'T BE SAYING ANYTHING, BUT I DID WANT TO WELCOME OUR NEW MEMBERS TONIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO HAVE YOU. AND I WANT TO THANK OUR STAFF AND OUR NEW INTERN FOR WALKING US THROUGH A LOT OF THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT. AND I KNOW THAT WE ALL KNOW THAT THESE PROJECTS ARE COMING UP ON CENTRAL AND UNIVERSITY ON 40TH.

AND THIS THIS COMMISSION IN PARTICULAR IS GOING TO HAVE A LOT TO DO WITH THOSE ITEMS

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL OF THAT. ON THAT NOTE, WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE MEETING? MOTION TO ADJOURN? I'LL SECOND. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY

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